College OTR: Russian Prof. Igor Panarin Predicts US Civil War, Includes Map of "New America"

Russian Prof. Igor Panarin Predicts US Civil War, Includes Map of "New America"

Posted by PajamaNinja 12/29/2008 11:00 AM
Category: Tags: russia

OK, so I know the US isn't in the best of shape right now with everyone unemployed or about to be unemployed or homeless or about to be homeless, but really, a civil war? I don't think we're quite at "Mad Max" apocalyptic proportions yet.

But according to a Russian academic, Professor Igor Panarin, that's exactly what's going to happen.

"There's a 55-45% chance right now that disintegration will occur," he says. "One could rejoice in that process," he adds, poker-faced. "But if we're talking reasonably, it's not the best scenario -- for Russia." Though Russia would become more powerful on the global stage, he says, its economy would suffer because it currently depends heavily on the dollar and on trade with the U.S.

Really, there's a 50/50 chance the US will "disintegrate"? And what's the time table on this? Oh, 2010? OK then. I mean talk about not having faith in Obama. Even Sean Hannity isn't predicting the total collapse of our country.

Looks like my home state is going to be in Canada now, and my place of employment in Europe. Damn, I guess I'll need to get my passport renewed.

+ 34 comments

Anonymous says,

What's most retarded about this is not the wishful thinking of the willful ignorance of geopolitical reality, it's the complete lack of creativity in the scenario.

The map looks exactly like how the US geographizes itself - West, MidWest, South, East - and then the quarters go to whatever foreign nation their closest to. Way to cover all the angles, dingleberry.

Moreover, we're living in a post-colonial world, so why would we be under the control of foreign powers, even if we did break apart? All of a sudden we lay down our vastly superior arms and let Canada and Mexico march in here? Jesus... The stupidity. What's this guy a professor of, Pre-Contemporary Thought? Posted 12/29/2008 11:18 AMReply

Anonymous says,

The question that came to my mind is where does Bruce Pardo fit into all of this? Posted 12/29/2008 12:10 PMReply

Anonymous says,

Prof. Igor must drink way too much vodka. Face it. The Russian's haven't got over the fact that they lost the Cold War. Their economy is messed up and their country is being run by the Russian Mafia. Here's what is more likely to happen: Russia will cause regional conflict with it's ally Iran. Nato will kick their Russian butts back to where they belong, and non-Nato countries between Germany/Austria and Russia will form their own strategic military alliance and unify their currency much like Europe did ten years ago with the Euro. Iran will cease to exist - it will be a terrirory joined with Iraq and Afganistan governed by Nato countries, primarily Turkey, who will become the managers of the gulf's oil. Russia will be isolated and have to resort to exporting vodka and natural resources so that their hairy women can buy Chinese made razor blades to shave their faces in the morning. Chernoble will become an international dumpsite for nuclear waste. Russia will lead the "green" effort by inventing a process for recycling toilet paper into toilet paper. Not out of ingenuity, but necessity. Posted 12/29/2008 12:58 PMReply

Anonymous says,

No what will really happen is the Aliens known as the Borg will attack Earth and attempt to break up all nations. The Borg will try to assimilate the entire world population but will be stopped through the efforts of a grassroots rebellion led by California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and talk show host William Shatner who will use the skills learned from their previous jobs as action hero and starship captain to defeat the Borg. Go Earth! Posted 12/29/2008 1:19 PMReply

Anonymous says,

It's no wonder Igor was never promoted by Dr. Frankenstein. But if you can't make it in Transylvania you can always immigrate to Russia and become a professor. Posted 12/29/2008 1:21 PMReply

Anonymous says,

Now I understand how the Soviet Union collapsed. Posted 12/29/2008 3:42 PMReply

Anonymous says,

This has some truth and a lot of hilarity to it! :) Posted 12/29/2008 4:03 PMReply

Anonymous says,

Hate to say it, but I think this guy does his home work! I don't want this to happen to us but I believe total collapse is inevitable. Its would be up to the American citizens to become mass educated, rather quickly, to prevent this from happening. Most Americans would argue something like this "can't happen". Ask them why....."cause the TV said....". Sad! Posted 12/29/2008 7:27 PMReply

Anonymous says,

I mean, take a look around! Economic collapse which will be worse than 1929. A complete breakdown of foreign affairs. The dollar losing all value. Nuclear threat. Threat of WWIII. And whatever other false flag ops the NWO elite are going to throw at us. So much more than this too. It's like the perfect storm. Sorry but things don't look so good now. Posted 12/29/2008 7:33 PMReply

Anonymous says,

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Anonymous says,

Over the top. The Western and Eastern nations would be larger than most existing countries today. Why would Texas let Mexico in more than it already is. Mexico has no political foundation to take on a colony that would be more advanced than it will ever be. Canada could take the upper Midwest since the upper Midwest is most like Canada. All in all I'd say "rubbish" Posted 12/29/2008 9:51 PMReply

Anonymous says,

The concept is interesting, but the demographics and cartography are flawed. In order for this to really be feasable, it would have to go down a county by county basis. Hell, that's how we ended up with the two (or three if we're using Pfotenhauer definitions) Virginias. If the nation really were to fracture, it would not be so neat as to divide along state boundaries, and no chance in hell the Canadians would ever think of taking Kansas. Who wants that headache? Posted 12/29/2008 10:53 PMReply

Anonymous says,

@ Yes We Can Monkeylover2431 :
Yeah Go Canada!
But we call Upstate New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine
so the EU can f*** off Posted 12/29/2008 11:04 PMReply

Anonymous says,

The scenario of U.S. splitting is not impossible. What comes out would not be 5-6 states under foreign control.
I'd rather predict Balkanization = several minor 'independent' states and a hell of mayhem. Posted 12/30/2008 07:37 AMReply

Anonymous says,

First of all in Texas we donâ��t want you other states, just give us our Original Territorial Boundaries and return the land the U.S. took from us in 1845. The sons of the defenders of the Alamo have our reputations to maintain the rest of you have to prove yourself first before we ally with you. As for Mexico, we beat the crap out of them in 1835 and we will do'er again!!! REMEMBER THE ALAMO!!!!!

Laugh if you want but this is more likely to happen than what that Commie Pig is spouting. Posted 12/30/2008 3:05 PMReply

Anonymous says,

The idea may have merit but the outcome is far from reality; especially this ludicrous map of the after math. It appears to be the wishful thinking of an ex KGB Soviet era Russian than a prophetic revelation of things to come. Posted 12/30/2008 7:15 PMReply

Anonymous says,

The only reson Mexico would get anything is that there are so many of them already here.
What president Obama can do to prevent this is to legalize weed. We could eliminate the national debt in no time.
Which leads to...what was this professor smoking? Posted 12/30/2008 9:54 PMReply

Anonymous says,

Honestly, we're in for a world of hurt, of that there can be no doubt. That map though, come on!

I have met a LOT of Texans...Texas going to Mexico? Ha!

I live in South Carolina...we're going to join the Yankee New England states and the EU? Double Ha!

And exactly what does Utah have in common with Washington and Oregon?

Apparently the Russian Professor would do well to stick to Russian geo-politics. Clearly we are far too complicated a socio-political mess for him to decipher. Posted 12/30/2008 10:08 PMReply

Anonymous says,

The USA is a forced amalgam of territories with vastly different histories and demographics. In the 18th/19th centuries it was all the rage to amalgamate territories ("Germany" and "Italy" were once dozens of independent fiefdoms). The trend of recent years has been the exact opposite: the division of large territories into smaller more historically/demographically logical ones (Soviet Union, Yugoslavia). There are separatist movements in most "amalgamated" nations, so don't be too suprised to see China, India, UK, Spain and France split up too. Maybe Germany and Italy will revert to their original smaller states too. Think global? Forget it, the future may be just the opposite: thousands of smaller regional nations with little interaction. Posted 12/31/2008 07:00 AMReply

Anonymous says,

We'll no doubt split into 50 independent states, and then, to facilitate economic progress and provide for the common defense, form a constitutional federal union. Posted 12/31/2008 10:08 AMReply

Anonymous says,

Anonymous above, force amalgam of what? If that were the case, the US would then break up into Sioux, Cherokee, Algonquin etc areas. Those were the existing histories/demographics before the US (rightly or wrongly) took over territory. There is no place on earth as ethnically diverse as the United States, and to try and extrapolate from the balkans, or India/Pakistan, or Iraq is just silly. We don't have the same deep rooted hatred and ethnic concentrations to make such a model work.

Tough times? Sure. Fragmentation? I don't think so. And lest anyone forget, if the fiat currency model completely explodes, and we have to go back to a gold standard or similar, what nation has the largest bullion reserves? Oh yea, the USA. Just saying is all. Posted 12/31/2008 1:39 PMReply

Anonymous says,

It would take a complete moron to think Texas would ever become part of Mexico, one of the most corrupt regimes on the planet. IF the KGB putz had a brain, he would have postulated that within a very short period, Mexico would become a province of the Republic of Texas, along with New Mexico and possibly an expanded area of the Southwest. Everything east of the Sabine would be out in the cold. We have absolutely nothing in common with the Southeastern States and no reason to ally ourselves with them. Texans are an extremely diverse bunch, but we are bound by a deep and undying love of our heritage and our history...and we are exceptionally well armed...the Mexican Army would have no chance at all. Posted 01/02/2009 09:32 AMReply

Anonymous says,

Let's say Calif said to the feds, "We can't afford to pay our US taxes; So we won't." They'd have to put it up for a state vote first. This would make the news, and, considering the state of GM, the Great Lakes states might come together and do the same thing. The feds wouldn't allow this. The only option is secession (which they would also have to put up for a vote). Secession would leave them vulnerable to military action by other countries as well as the US. They would likely seek to recruit neighboring states for their own protection. If this were going down, people may panic and ask their representatives to vote for secession. The borders seem pretty accurate for starters, but, after secession, border disputes would take place; State lines would not likely last. New US "countries" may seek support from Canada or Mexico, but it seems unlikely that they would surrender their sovereignty without due cause. What is interesting to me is that the Russian delivered this idea some 20 years ago at a conference for using data to manipulate nations. How much has our media been controlled? Posted 01/02/2009 2:28 PMReply

Anonymous says,

I somewhat support the idea and i really know politcal and economic geography but i have to agree with the russian. but i do not agree that the west will go to china, hawaii to japan, alaska to russia, midwest to canada, and especially southeast to mexico. I do think that it could look something like that, but i think they would be there own countries and I prey, that the Atlantic states would go to EU, which is the best thing that could ever happen, they would help life the u.s out of conservatives and help establish a better government and welfare system. Posted 01/03/2009 5:35 PMReply

Anonymous says,

I think the U.S. will be divided.There is no logic to this map however.The reason may be due to finacial collapse,maybe the country divived by its creditors.Maybe sections of the country given to those who own the most mortgages in particular states.Perhaps the U.S. crosses the line attacking or invading someone unsuccessfully and being divided up by the U.N.Just as the other country with the eagle as its symbol germany being divided up.The Diving I agree but why or how its divided is the question.the soviet union self divided after a disaterous afganistan invasion. Posted 01/05/2009 10:08 PMReply

Anonymous says,

The US has been fragmented since it first started. That's the beauty of it. We have figured out a system that allows us to be divided and united at the same time. This totally baffles political theorists in other countries becuase the strength inherent in this paradox is completely beyond their grasp. They continuously predict the disintegration of the union every time we go through a difficult period. Not. Going. To. Happen. Posted 01/10/2009 10:47 PMReply

Anonymous says,

This prediction was created over 10 years ago. Now I am not saying it will come ture...there is no telling what can happen with todays America. However, this has nothing to do with having little faith in our president because this was created so long ago. I believe that anything is possible. I am of the christian faith and I think that this is a warning for all of us to know what could come if we do not wise up and put our faith in the one man we all should be...Jesus Christ our creator and savior. Posted 04/12/2009 1:31 PMReply

Anonymous says,

This is the stupydiest idea I have politically heard.

The russian Panarin has I lot to learned about Americans.

His basing his theory on what happen in the old Soviet block, yet the Soviet psyche is completely different from the American's.

Americans seems themself as Americans no matter if borned in Florida, Hawaii, Texas, or Alaska.

Former Soviets in the other hand are culture divided, language divided, politically divided, religion divided, and have many other differences.

The Soviet Union(USSR) was a vast trerretory extended over two continents with shattered economy right from the start of their union. It was impacted by many differences of the composition of republics.

Historically, the Soviets spended an overdraft of their annual GNP in armaments for their overwelming cold war with the USA.

My personal beliefs is that old Professor Igor Panarin bases his forecast in the own fate of the former USSR believing that Russians or Soviets have the same cultural, political, racial, and even moral flaws they have at that period in time.

etcasado@gmail.com Posted 05/03/2009 10:26 AMReply

Anonymous says,

This is the stupidest idea I have politically heard.

The Russian Panarin has I lot to learned about Americans.

His basing his theory on what happen in the old Soviet bloc, yet the Soviet psyche is completely different from the American's.

Americans seems themselves as Americans no matter if borne in Florida, Hawaii, Texas, or Alaska.

Former Soviets in the other hand are culture divided, language divided, politically divided, religion divided, and has many other differences.

The Soviet Union (USSR) was a vast territory extended over two continents with shattered economy right from the start of their union. It was impacted by many differences of the composition of republics.

Historically, the Soviets spend an overdraft of their annual GNP in armaments for their overwhelming cold war with the USA.

My personal beliefs is that old Professor Igor Panarin bases his forecast in the own fate of the former USSR believing that Russians or Soviets have the same cultural, political, racial, and even moral flaws they have at that period in time.

etcasado@gmail.com Posted 05/03/2009 10:33 AMReply

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Anonymous says,

@ Anonymous: @ Anonymous: So glad to see the thinking person...other people saying exactly the same thing that TV said... don't know if it is really happen...but the chances are big Posted 09/01/2009 04:24 AMReply

Anonymous says,

Ok, I see all the people repeat the same things as the TV said... they're not answering the questions about the things which will lead to crash... but they keeps telling only that Igor the Russian communist...

What would you tell if such forecast has been told by person not from Russia? Posted 09/01/2009 05:58 AMReply

Anonymous says,

To anonymous above: This prediction is nonsense. The fact that it is nonsense has nothing to do with the nationality of the person asserting such drivel, but rather that the person making such claims clearly has very little understanding of American history, politics or demographics. Even assuming that this professors sideways ideas about the disintegration of national government in the United States are somehow correct, the idea of nations such as Canada or Mexico politically or economically dominating portions of the former United States is ridiculous. Posted 09/11/2009 11:14 PMReply