University of Michigan OTR: Michigan Greek Mythology: SAE

Michigan Greek Mythology: SAE

Posted by Johnny Quest 10/16/2007 09:18 AM
Category: Partying Tags: shady, greek life, assholes, SAE

It’s more like a bear in wolves' clothing, but I couldn’t find a picture.

I hate SAE. Let’s not mince words. Normally I’ll poke fun at a frat for tilting their hats at odd angles or their love of color-coordinating but trust me, I’ve been being nice. Not today.

SAE will never, ever get kicked off campus. Even if they killed a pledge (which is entirely possibly in their ridiculous year-long pledge term) they’d probably just be told to double their Greek Week earnings to call it even. Sigma Alpha Epsilon has such a long history here I’m pretty sure their giant medieval castle was the house Mr. Arbor built for his wife Ann two-hundred some years ago. That may not be true, but SAE is the biggest, richest most powerful house on campus. And don’t they know it.

Sure there’s just general ****rly like making pledges chug microwaved beer. And of course the mudbowl game they host every year where they face off against another frat which literally has to limp on the field to play them. And while I'm sure not every brother is bad, when describing SAE I find it hard to resist combining terms like “meat” with “head” or “douche” with “bag” because it’s all just too easy. SAE is more than that.

The real reason I hate SAE are the stories, all of which are told by females and begin with “So I started drinking jungle juice…” and end with “…and then I woke up naked.” The middle? There is no middle. Because they don’t remember it. I’ve heard this same story repeated to me by three different girls in reference to an SAE event and why no one's in jail is beyond me. Maybe money can make any problem go away.

Like Beta before them, SAE should be the next group of ****s to get kicked off campus. But they never will and houses like Theta Chi and Phi Psi will inevitably fall before them. It's a shame that SAE is viewed with such mystical reverence by some, a perspective I will never understand or share. Greek life can produce some of our best here at U of M, but you can sure as hell believe it breeds the worst as well.

Campus rep: 10/10

Douche factor: 46/10

+ 115 comments

Anonymous says,

where's the douche/rep factor....i wanna know if i should rush there this winter??? Posted 10/16/2007 11:16 AMReply

Anonymous says,

hahahahahahahahahahaha
I think JQ thinks pretty highly of these guys, I'd say go for it! Posted 10/16/2007 11:18 AMReply

Anonymous says,

bitter much?? With all this beef u have with SAE, i'm surprised u didnt write about them first Posted 10/16/2007 2:58 PMReply

Anonymous says,

cant beat those numbers Posted 10/16/2007 3:27 PMReply

Anonymous says,

there is so much slander and lies in this post i don't have the fortitude to address it properly. Just get your facts correct.

'05 alumni Posted 10/16/2007 3:39 PMReply

Johnny Quest says,

Slander? Maybe. Lies? No. Posted 10/16/2007 4:05 PMReply

Anonymous says,

haha you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. thank you for making me laugh out loud at your stupidity. Posted 10/16/2007 4:20 PMReply

Anonymous says,

perfect Posted 10/16/2007 4:37 PMReply

Anonymous says,

Johnny Quest, you're writing is genius, but the "let's hold frats responsible for the poor choices some girls make" argument you made, is not. Everyone drinks the same 'jungle juice' at parties. If you're friends are getting too drunk and making mistakes, help them deal with their problem, don't sit around helping them play the victim by bashing frats for throwing parties people line up to be at. I find it ironic that when a guy wakes up next to an ugly girl he wishes he hadn't slept with and can't remember how either of them got there, he can laugh about it with his buddies, but when the same thing happens to a girl, she can cry rape and the daily wil report it. What a world we live in eh? Posted 10/16/2007 6:18 PMReply

Anonymous says,

SAE doesnt participate in greek week because we run this ****ing school Posted 10/16/2007 6:41 PMReply

Anonymous says,

amen, to comment above Posted 10/16/2007 6:52 PMReply

Anonymous says,

Above poster contributes at least 5 points to the douche factor of SAE. Posted 10/16/2007 6:53 PMReply

Anonymous says,

douche factor: 46/10

i think that's being a bit too generous johnny quest. Posted 10/16/2007 6:53 PMReply

Anonymous says,

118 years in the same house, 5,000 alums. Frat On. Posted 10/16/2007 7:06 PMReply

Anonymous says,

you're story sounds like a cop-out to me but what do I know. It's not like unsubstantiated rape accusations made by anonymous accusers against easy targets are common. Oh wait, they actually are. You should look into becoming Durham's next DA. I hear they're hiring. Posted 10/16/2007 7:08 PMReply

Anonymous says,

you couldn't know less about SAE. don't be bitter because every time u have tried to come to a party for research you were not let in or kicked out cause you are a **** gdi. where is the first hand account like for the other frats? Ive never even seen ghb or that other shit, and girls blackout cause they drink alot. You actually provided no insight into the best house on campus at all. FRAT. We are never leaving. Posted 10/16/2007 8:54 PMReply

Anonymous says,

I saw Johnny Quest slip a phi psi a ghb and take him into the stacks with him. Posted 10/16/2007 8:56 PMReply

Anonymous says,

SAE actually has no power and little to no influence on the rest of the campus. Posted 10/16/2007 9:12 PMReply

Anonymous says,

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA you are such a tool GDI. Posted 10/16/2007 9:17 PMReply

Anonymous says,

whoever wrote this needs to take a step back and realize that the SAE guys are simply normal college kids trying to have a good time. FIJI, sigma chi and beta were all ruined by people like you. how do you know what goes on in SAE? the fact is you don't and you feel the need to try to ruin the greek system because you are jealous and do not understand that the students in SAE are just trying to keep Michigan a school where students (girls and guys) can go to have a good time. Posted 10/16/2007 10:57 PMReply

Anonymous says,

plus i hear they rage, turbo, and if the opportunity presents itself...punish Posted 10/16/2007 11:39 PMReply

Anonymous says,

SIGMA ****ING CHI Posted 10/17/2007 05:01 AMReply

Anonymous says,

You obviously have been to our house for a party so thank you for being unbiased and and staying away from any rumors or myths about the house. But blindly accusing us slipping girls GHB and ketamine at parties, when its obvious your only source was a couple of sorostitutes in your english class who couldn't handle a couple of cups of blackout juice? That's libel. I hate you. Let's not mince words. And I know who you are. See you around campus. Posted 10/17/2007 09:29 AMReply

Anonymous says,

I promise you that the person who wrote that guys in SAE are simply "normal kids who are just trying to have a good time" is not in SAE and is in fact a GDI. Posted 10/17/2007 09:33 AMReply

Anonymous says,

What are you guys talking about? An SAE is "a true gentleman", as their motto insists. Posted 10/17/2007 10:42 AMReply

Anonymous says,

SAE = GDIs in FRAT clothing Posted 10/17/2007 11:11 AMReply

Anonymous says,

there's no ketamine etc. in the black out punches. I used to make it while in school. We got the recipe from our chef. Here's the recipe, it's disgusting

2 frozen cans of concentrate lemonade/fruit punch
6 pack of beer (instead of water, can use a 12 pack)
1 handle of vodka

multiple by people being served. No funny pills, etc... because if pills were in there, dipshit, then everyone would be dead on the floor. And, we don't go to Ohio State or Central. Dummy. It's not my fault if a girl, fresh from the strictures of "home life" from wherever, thinks she's tough by drinking too much, only to go back to the dorms and throw up or whatever.

I said you know Nothing because you don't. If you had been in SAE you would have commented about the pure strength of the punch itself (which tastes terrible), instead of having to resort to lying about drugs and whatever. This post has been brought to you by a contributing member of society.

--your lawyer. Posted 10/17/2007 11:50 AMReply

Anonymous says,

seriously... who is the author of this blog, like name and address. Posted 10/17/2007 11:51 AMReply

Anonymous says,

Whoa there tough guy...what are you going to do write him a letter? May I suggest using the blog instead. I know you weren't threatening him, because that would just give credibility to his article about SAE being full of douches. Posted 10/17/2007 11:58 AMReply

Anonymous says,

Remember the last group of people who wore outfits because it went with their idea of perfection? Weren't they called nazi's?

I'm glad we haven't turned into the third reich breeding ground JUST yet. Posted 10/17/2007 11:59 AMReply

Johnny Quest says,

My lawyer,

I've had that before and you're correct, it's terrible. Beer mixed with fruit and vodka, mmmm. Throw some ice cream or steak in there or something. Also, congrats on being the first person ever on the site to call me "dummy." Props for originality.

And anyone else with concerns can reach me at:
John K. Quest
4409 Go **** Yourself Rd.
Ann Arbor, MI 48104

or on facebook. Posted 10/17/2007 12:14 PMReply

Anonymous says,

so word on campus is johnny quest's identity is out....this should get interesting Posted 10/17/2007 12:18 PMReply

Anonymous says,

quest...

That is the actual "drink" formula, at least while I was there, which was not long ago at all. Call us meatheads, fine, it's deserved. Call us retarded, fine, who cares, all frat guys are. You start saying guys put shit in girls drinks, that's RAPE. It's not cool. It's not cool to rape a girl. It's also not cool to accuse 50 someodd individuals, individuals who were smart enough and well rounded enough to get into Michigan in the first place, of rape. I'm not talking any journalistic integrity, b/c you're not a journalist. But, like SAE or not, the kids are your fellow classmates and will be walking with you at graduation. You think they're not cool, violent, etc., fine, rank em as the worst house to rush if you want. But in some states you can get life for a ****ing rape conviction. It's just a little much. I lived there for 1.5 years and there was never one accusation of that. Other houses couldn't say that at the time, but luckily we didn't have to poison the well in order to get ass. Even if a few consistently struck out, no one ever got that desperate.

--your lawyer Posted 10/17/2007 3:13 PMReply

Anonymous says,

It is obvious after reading this entry and your other entries about the GREEK system that your motivation for writing this blog is pure envy. You engross yourself in the gossip and the lives of the people involved in the GREEK system even though the closest contact you probably have is the daily articles you read. You obsess over their lives and like any psycho wish you were them. You write stories as if they happened to you when in fact you have no connection other than your geography. Your desire to somehow be these people has led you to create fantasies that you actually hold as truth. YOU ARE VERY SICK AND EXTREMELY JEALOUS. The only truth JQ, is that you exist as some fictitious character, who writes a fictional blog about make believe stories. And for this I feel sorry for you. I wish that there was something the GREEK system could do something to help you. Unfortunately, you are a lost cause to us. I suggest you seek professional help immediately, before your fantasies get you into REAL trouble. Posted 10/17/2007 5:29 PMReply

Johnny Quest says,

Wait, is GREEK some sort of acronym I don't know about? Posted 10/17/2007 6:00 PMReply

Anonymous says,

do any of you realize how dumb you sound? sae is retarded and im pretty sure that no one on this campus gives a **** about them Posted 10/17/2007 6:23 PMReply

Anonymous says,

How exactly does one write a fictional blog?

And to the several people who posted something like
"Ive never even seen ghb or that other shit, and girls blackout cause they drink alot."
So it's okay to have sex with a girl if she's blackout drunk, as long as you didn't spike her drink with a chemical? Posted 10/17/2007 6:46 PMReply

Anonymous says,

wooooow johnny, those are some pretty serious accusations. care to bring forth the identity of some of these girls bashing the house? just curious, because it is easy to hide and say things like that without having to actually fess up and admit it. i think it is funny that the girls come to you with these horrible things that happened to them at sae instead of confronting the ifc or the police. if it happened to me, i would definitely seek out my blogger buddy to bash the house instead of actually doing something about it to prevent it from happening to anyone else. it seems a little conveniently easy for you that they decided to dish about their serious emotional trauma. Posted 10/17/2007 7:47 PMReply

Anonymous says,

almost like it never actually happened... Posted 10/17/2007 7:48 PMReply

MattyC says,

yea, I would just like to point out that taking advantage of a blacked out girl is considered rape......
So even if you go past the dumb GHB shit, which is untrue, it's still taking advantage of blacked out girls, and still not cool. Posted 10/17/2007 10:14 PMReply

Anonymous says,

JOHNNY QUEST RAPED ME LAST NIGHT!!!! Posted 10/17/2007 10:27 PMReply

Anonymous says,

I think we've all heard the ridiculous stories of SAE. Whether it's guys getting the shit kicked out of them or girls getting "drugged" (or at least taken advantage of). However, word of mouth is not necessarily fact and there is no reason to sum up the character of an entire house based upon a few indiscretions that may or may not have happened (as far as I know any of these supposed issues occurring recently have gone unreported). Sure SAE is home to some individuals who are complete idiots (tools, douche bags, I could go on forever...), but at the same time I know of great guys in the house as well and the picture of SAE that is getting painted here is not entirely accurate nor is it fair. JQ - while your post is entirely entertaining, your allegations are a bit objectionable and others posting below just take things too far. Posted 10/17/2007 11:12 PMReply

Anonymous says,

Johnny's just pissed because SAE stole his tribe's elephant. Posted 10/18/2007 12:19 AMReply

Anonymous says,

JQuest, first off kudos for an entertaining blog and for doing a pretty decent job of capturing life at U of M. It's especially refreshing for alums like me that have been gone for a few years.

I also want to thank you for doing SAE the service of fine free advertising over and over again on your blog. It is clear to me that you have more than a little bit of jealousy towards the castle at 1408 Washtenaw and I think much of it stems from the fact that you are likely having difficulty getting laid. I am making this assertion based on the fact that you facebook stalk like John Wayne Gacey and constantly discuss the hotness of sorority pledge classes yet do so from a disturbing distance.

Furthermore, your wildly accuse SAE of using "GHB and ketamine" to lure girls into being assaulted. Your blog entries about Kappa, Tridelt and Alpha Phi discuss their affinity for SAE yet you accuse SAE of drugging these girls, a horrific crime. The fact of the matter is though you may think that these girls are under the influence of some mind altering drug when they go to SAE and sometimes wind up staying the night, what you fail to understand is that SAE (like Beta, Theta Chi and Sigma Chi before them) simply have a monopoly on good looking girls at Michigan because of the prevalence of people like yourself. Girls choose to go to SAE, girls choose to drink at SAE and sometimes, girls choose to stay the night at SAE. None of these are crimes and none of this actions are the result of coercion or malicious intent on the part of the guys at SAE. They just do it better than you. So good luck with things in Ann Arbor, and I apologize for the fact that you joined Chi Phi or thought you could do fine as an independent which clearly did not hold true.

PS- you'll never really feel welcome at Rick's, so don't think that things will improve for you. Posted 10/18/2007 09:25 AMReply

Johnny Quest says,

I believe my time at Chi Phi has been well spent. Posted 10/18/2007 09:38 AMReply

Anonymous says,

I used to think it'd be funny to go around telling people I was Johnny Quest, but I think roller blading down I-94 is the safer bet. Posted 10/18/2007 5:22 PMReply

Anonymous says,

did anyone actually read the article? JQ never actually accused sae of anything. its all in the comments... Posted 10/18/2007 6:12 PMReply

Anonymous says,

@ Anonymous:

"The real reason I hate SAE are the stories, all of which are told by females and begin with �So I started drinking jungle juice�� and end with ��and then I woke up naked.� The middle? There is no middle. Because they don�t remember it. I�ve heard this same story repeated to me by three different girls in reference to an SAE event and why no one's in jail is beyond me. Maybe money can make any problem go away."

Is this passage not an accusation? Posted 10/19/2007 09:10 AMReply

Anonymous says,

its funny how much people care about a bunch of drunk college kids.

-tg Posted 10/20/2007 6:09 PMReply

Anonymous says,

opt for rollerblading, for sure. Posted 10/22/2007 10:27 AMReply

Anonymous says,

so are the hot girls hanging out at SAE now that beta's gone? Posted 10/22/2007 5:06 PMReply

Anonymous says,

actually all the hot girls are hangin out at theta chi.....beta never got ne hot girls at all...they are a bunch of tools who drink box wine and think they are sweet Posted 10/23/2007 1:21 PMReply

Anonymous says,

@ Anonymous: You just substituted "ne" for any. Was it going to require too much effort for you to type out that extra letter? You sir, have just proven you are a tool. Posted 10/24/2007 08:30 AMReply

Anonymous says,

http://staaaaaaaaan.blogspot.com/ Posted 10/28/2007 3:27 PMReply

Anonymous says,

Wow. JQ, this is pretty damn great. I love the comments the most. I'm a non-greek girl from Berkeley and I had to leave a comment because the SAE guys at Berkeley are exactly the same. They have the worst rep on campus but think that they're the shit. Their parties aren't that great and their alcohol is always of the most disgusting variety. Their house even got closed down for "violating health regulations" a few semesters back. Nasty.

Well done JQ, well done. =] Posted 11/11/2007 10:26 AMReply

Anonymous says,

"They have the worst rep on capus but think they're the shit." that's not sae, that's PIKE Posted 11/12/2007 3:35 PMReply

Anonymous says,

go back to California and stay there. Cal sucks, by the way. Win some ****ing games will ya. Posted 11/12/2007 5:45 PMReply

Anonymous says,

Haha, yeah Cal sucks because we lost a few football games. It's not like were the number one public school in the nation (oh wait, I mean the world) or anything.. You're definitely right.

Oh, and I'm not standing up for PIKE. SAE just sucks balls too. Posted 11/13/2007 8:35 PMReply

Anonymous says,

the fact that you even think there's parody between Cal. and Mich. on anything besides our school colors shows your ridiculousness. At least we're the best school in our own state... have fun playing second chair to Stanford for the restof time. Posted 11/14/2007 07:49 AMReply

Anonymous says,

i love orange soda Posted 11/14/2007 08:28 AMReply

Anonymous says,

i love orange soda Posted 11/14/2007 08:28 AMReply

Anonymous says,

Yeah, and Stanford can have fun paying private tuition rates when we get a better education for way less. Oh, and you're totally correct about you being the best in your state.. I mean, Mitchigan has like what, two major universities? That's a great accomplishment. It's not like California has the entire UC system, entire state system, and Stanford to call its own. Have fun buried in mediocrity when internationally we're known as the best public institution in the world. :] Posted 11/17/2007 4:12 PMReply

Anonymous says,

then go blog on Cal's OTR site...surely it must also be the best, internationally known public blog institution in the world right?

and don't act like you even see copies of your tuition bill. seriously. Posted 11/18/2007 1:36 PMReply

Anonymous says,

Brightness through obscurity=Sigma Alpha Epsilon. ****s. Posted 11/20/2007 08:59 AMReply

Anonymous says,

chip welsh OWNS zach lapalme...FRAT Posted 11/20/2007 4:44 PMReply

Anonymous says,

@ Anonymous: WRONG Posted 11/20/2007 9:51 PMReply

Anonymous says,

That's because lapalme is gay. Posted 11/22/2007 12:24 AMReply

Anonymous says,

this arguement is pointless. Quest's post is due to pure envy and nothing else. Some are less fortunate than others when it comes to experiencing college; sorry quest. quest, if you want this sae problem to go away, the only thing i can do is recommend that you stop being such a ****.
-ΦA
cal theta Posted 11/25/2007 8:20 PMReply

Anonymous says,

Sometimes I actually feel a little bad for SAE. I know that during winter term everyone hated one of the pledges and so they were trying to keep him on to haze the shit out of him before depledging him right before initiation. However, they realized that he knows all about their hazing and can get them in deep shit with IFC so now they're stuck with him for the next 3 years. Tough break SAE, tough break. Posted 02/06/2008 10:48 AMReply

Anonymous says,

HAHAHAHA Posted 02/06/2008 11:34 AMReply

Anonymous says,

SAE are wanna be frat guys, they are the biggest ****s in the Greek system. They get these lame dudes and convince each of them that they are actually tough, cool guys. Everyone knows they are ****s in sheep clothing Posted 02/06/2008 12:52 PMReply

Anonymous says,

SAE is so fratty, we drink a lot and wear fratty clothes, you r just jealous Posted 02/21/2008 08:52 AMReply

Anonymous says,

SAE = sexual assault expected Posted 03/03/2008 10:03 AMReply

Anonymous says,

dont hate SAE, just because we diddnt give you a bid. you know you wish you were the one waking up with the girls Posted 03/07/2008 11:42 PMReply

Anonymous says,

while they wonder what drug was slipped into their drinks* Posted 03/08/2008 12:25 AMReply

Anonymous says,

by fratty clothes if you mean bo stover and that asian kid wearing flat brim hats, then yeah i guess Posted 04/03/2008 4:43 PMReply

Anonymous says,

we do mean bo stover Posted 04/08/2008 8:28 PMReply

Anonymous says,

one time I woke up at SAE not knowing how I got there or what I did...but, I loved every second of it. Posted 04/08/2008 8:44 PMReply

Anonymous says,

^^^^ that's a sigep too Posted 04/08/2008 8:48 PMReply

Anonymous says,

nope I am actually a girl. sigeps gay, let's be real here. Posted 04/08/2008 8:51 PMReply

Anonymous says,

Phi Alpha to univeristy of michigan SAE's keep the good work up...if you can't handle the shit we go through don't do it...we don't need any more friends we got enough Posted 04/29/2008 01:18 AMReply

Anonymous says,

what the hell is phi alpha? Posted 04/29/2008 04:09 AMReply

Anonymous says,

para PHanos apo Adelphia

"by the lanterns of brotherhood"

phi alpha is the motto taken from those two letters. Posted 04/29/2008 04:14 AMReply

Anonymous says,

stupid son of a bitch, thats not what it means. but creative, i like it. Posted 05/06/2008 1:54 PMReply

Anonymous says,

@ Anonymous: Wow....what an article. Sounds like an SAE f*cked your girlfriend, she felt bad and was sore from the extreme a$$ pounding she took and made up the excuse as to not hurt your feelings johnny quest. Next time you wanna back up your article, maybe you should talk to someone other than your girlfriend, who obviously loves drinking our SAE jungle juice and sucking our Dicks. FRAT on SAE. Posted 05/06/2008 2:04 PMReply

Anonymous says,

"the sh*t you go through?" meaning doing pushups on shards of glass and being thrown out of the second story of your house duck taped between two mattresses...yeah you guys are really cool Posted 05/27/2008 12:05 PMReply

Anonymous says,

Hiding behind a fake identity only hurts your credibility.

What are you trying to accomplish by writing this? If you are seriously concerned about the safety of SAE pledges and women who attend their parties, you would focus your attention on them trying to find ways to help them. Instead you focus on SAE as a whole.

There are bad people everywhere. I have no reason to believe that any brother of SAE violated pledges or women. Having said this, if SAE did not exist, do you truely think that such (hypothetical) would-be brothers would fail to take advantage of a young woman?

Perhaps you should focus your attention in more direct ways of helping women and pledges. Posted 05/31/2008 3:29 PMReply

Anonymous says,

You are all a bunch of p*ssy *ss wanna-be's who wish they could have gotten a bid from SAE. We are the True Gentlemen!!! Girls want us and guys want to be like us...that's the bottom line. You little punk-*ss little F*cks think you could out do SAE...I think NOT!!! That's why we are the largest fraternity in the USA. Do your homework before you start running your mouth!!! You wish you knew what Phi Alpha means!!! I'm 29 and make over 200K a year!!! This is because us SAE Brothers hold ourselves to hire standards than you little wanna-be's do. So stop running your mouth and grow up!!! Posted 06/20/2008 10:58 PMReply

Anonymous says,

Oh and by the way I'm a UFC fighter!!! So you little wanna-be juice heads can step up to me anytime you want! I'll F*ckin snap your arm in half and make you my B*tch!!! Just ask Kendall Grove!!! Also, I graduated with a 3.4 gpa with my Finance degree. So I guess I'm not some random "Frat-Guy" with a big mouth!!! Stop sweating us!!! Not everyone can be the greatest!!! Posted 06/20/2008 11:10 PMReply

Anonymous says,

I believe the word your looking for is "higher" not "hire". I think anyone with a 3.4 should be able to tell the difference between the two. Posted 06/21/2008 12:15 PMReply

Anonymous says,

weak Posted 09/04/2008 11:09 AMReply

Anonymous says,

--im not going to sit here and accuse anyone of slipping drugs into anything, but i will say that UofM is not the only campus with douche SAE's...

my boyfriend is an SAE at MSU, and even im scared to stay at the house there... Posted 09/17/2008 02:59 AMReply

Anonymous says,

Unphi alpha to paul tassi. You are a joke. Posted 09/22/2008 4:39 PMReply

Anonymous says,

doesnt phi alpha stand for forever assimilated? Posted 09/26/2008 3:47 PMReply

Anonymous says,

frat hard = phi alpha Posted 09/27/2008 01:37 AMReply

Anonymous says,

Michigan SAE Chapter has produced MANY upstanding individuals, including me a cardiothoracic surgeon, and the man who was the best man in my wedding, the biggest lawyer in Chicago. Don't get too shook up by the "stories" since most are just that. When I have a desire to criticize someone, I first try to befriend them. Get to know an SAE and you will see that they are just the same as you. Posted 09/28/2008 07:27 AMReply

Anonymous says,

^^^the same can be said for any frat on this campus, be it Chi Psi, SAE, ZBT, even Pike.

The problem with sites like this is that they reduce houses into inane high school stereotypes, and students buy right into them. It's pulling apart the Greek system at the limbs.

Congrats Johnny Quest, you win. Bro. Posted 09/29/2008 11:40 PMReply

Anonymous says,

You can't just judge Î£AE by your school. It is the biggest in the US and one of the best in the world! Requiring members to partake in Community service each semester. AT LEAST six in my chapter. But most of us do more. We have at least one a week. 16 weeks a semester not counting breaks that we are all there. That doesn't sound bad to me. Just because you think the Michigan Iota-Beta chapter is bad don't go judging it as Î£AE in a whole. It is one of the most prestige Fraternities ever and will continue to be. Take time and realize everything Î£AE and even the Iota-Beta chapter does then maybe you will appreciate it more! Greek Life is the best I would suspect more from a fellow greek! Respect all men, maybe Chi Phi should have made you live by the TG!

T H E T R U E G E N T L E M A N
The True Gentleman is the man whose conduct proceeds
from good will and an acute sense of propriety,
and whose self control is equal to all emergencies; who
does not make the poor man conscious of his poverty,
the obscure man of his obscurity, or any man of his
inferiority or deformity; who is himself humbled if
necessity compels him to humble another; who does
not flatter wealth, cringe before power, or boast of his
own possessions or achievements; who speaks with
frankness but always with sincerity and sympathy;
whose deed follows his word; who thinks of the rights
and feelings of others rather than his own; and who
appears well in any company, a man with whom honor
is sacred and virtue safe.
- John Walter Wayland (Virginia 1899) Posted 10/06/2008 11:47 AMReply

Anonymous says,

Why can't we judge SAE? While nationally they are well funded, have active alums, its ridiculous to say that every frat is the same as their national brothers. No offense but 6 hours of community service? Hardly makes you superman. Im personally sick of all the non- U of M students saying how their school has different types of people in their house. Great no one cares. The fact is, people pick frats on what guys are in the house, not how the house is nationally. So yes... I can judge SAE by my school.

"Start with straight shots, then pop bottles."

- Lil Wayne (Hollygrove 2006) Posted 10/06/2008 3:11 PMReply

Anonymous says,

Actually I didn't say hours their smart one. I said 6 events, which normally last most the day. A lot of people do join for nationally also. Because we have over 280,000 members and when I graduate you know how many contacts that will give me? Yeah! You can judge the U of M one but don't compare it as SAE the whole. Because unless you end up visiting everyone and realizing how wrong you are then keep to the Michigan one. I been to all 3 in ohio and one in NC and California and they have been welcoming when all I had to do was shake their hand and say two words! Posted 10/06/2008 4:10 PMReply

Anonymous says,

i just like to frat long and frat hard Posted 10/07/2008 6:03 PMReply

Anonymous says,

You have 280,000 initiated. I figure one or two may have died since 1856. You are a ****ing idiot. Posted 10/10/2008 10:12 AMReply

Anonymous says,

First of all I would like to say that this site is absolutely hilarious. Second of all as a alumni and former member of the greek system at UM I would like to say that I agree 100% with the douche factor of 46 for SAE. My son has recently been accepted to UM and so I thought I would research how Greek Life has changed since my years. As a former member of Phi Delta Theta I would never allow my son to even enter SAE let alone rush there. Many students today do not know that as little as only 10 years ago SAE was part of the biggest rivalry in Michigan history. Phi Delt, which if you do not know is across Washtenaw Ave from SAE, was and may someday again be the most respected and popular Fraternity in Ann Arbor. We started the mudbowl and for 50 years it was only played between the two fraternities instead of in the despicable way it is ran now. For those above who have commented that SAE is the greatest Frat in the history of UM or the nation I have to disagree. Phi Delt has the most distinguished alumnis with the likes of a US president, neil armstrong, Frank Lloyd Wright and the only greek UM Heisman Trophy winner Tom Harmon. We were also know as the most popular house on campus until the tragedy of 1998 where a young girl was drugged (most likely at SAE) and died in her Markley dorm. This one event which is most likely the most important in UM greek history set off a series of events which lead to phi delta theta's adoption of alcohol free housing. Now Im proud to say that our active chapter is reforming and for all those students who may read this and are considering rushing I recommend you give them a look. While I do not agree with the alcohol free policy stance I see it necessity to keep the SAE's and their actions from happening on college campuses. I do agree with all those that said SAE should be shut down by the University or their nationals as they are one of the worst houses in the nation. Take it from a man who has witnessed the history of the U of M greek system first hand stay away from that house. Thank you to all that took the time to read all of a man's rant ha ha Posted 01/03/2009 01:28 AMReply

Anonymous says,

To the poster above, HOW many years ago were you at U of M? You shouldn't judge (nor should you tell others to judge) SAE by reading things written on an amateur blog. Your whole post makes you sound like a member of Phi Delt who never got over his jealousy issues. Get to know the current SAE house before you make accusations. These comments just continue to perpetuate stereotypes and rumors that are completely untrue. Posted 01/03/2009 03:16 AMReply

Anonymous says,

let me just say that i've partied at SAE many, many times and their parties are pretty much like any other frats'. i swear, i hear rumors about EVERY frat giving out roofies but NONE of it is true (maybe long ago but not now)- even shady phi. Posted 01/03/2009 03:19 AMReply

Anonymous says,

@ Anonymous: Phi Alpha Brothers. Its ironic that Johnny Quest uses that moniker. The fictional character Johnny Quest actually had adventures all over the world, while the "douchbag"that writes this pathetic rant probably never got a bid at all, not even from Phi Delta Theta. (Sorry to all the the good Î¦Î�Î�'s, which there are many of). All he has the ability to do is to bemoan everyone else because of some "story" he was told that has no evidentiary basis whatsoever. This supposed delator thinks he is actually helping by ranting about how bad the Greek system is. You want to know why Î£Î�Î� has the reputation they have, but certainly not your ignorant interpretation of Î£Î�Î�? I will tell you why. Î£Î�Î�, and other houses, contribute significantly to the betterment of society. While you sit on your a** all day and whine about an unsubstantiated accusation of rape, fraternities, and sororities help to raise money and awareness for devastating life-threatening diseases, that affect women and children. The Greeks give back to the community en masse. There are sadists, abusers, and rapists in every conceivable social group known to mankind, and while you look down on and stereotype Î£Î�Î�, your only solution is to blog. Maybe you would have fit in better if you tried to join Î�Î�Î�. Posted 02/06/2009 05:20 AMReply

Anonymous says,

As a current and very active member of SAE, I find these allegation completely false and insulting. I have played in the mudbowl, gone through the SAE pledge term, and am currently living in the house, and I can say first hand that this article is biased and absurd. First, we don't have a year long pledge term. In fact, like every other fraternity on this campus, we have both a Fall and Winter pledge class. Second, as you already know, we don't participate in Greek week for numerous reasons. Third, we aren't the biggest or the most powerful fraternity on this campus, in fact we are pretty averaged sized at around 80 kids. Our mudbowl is a fun philantropy event for everyone who participates, and if you ask the Phi Psis who played us in the finals this year I'm sure they will agree. In terms of the roofies, I think you and everyone else on this blog knows that this is a disgraceful attempt to spark controversy and to bring attention to a pathetic soul who is clearly not a very talented writer. Johnny Quest, I don't know why you have such a thing for SAE, but I encourage you to swing by anytime. I assure you that you will be surprised by what you see and your opinion of us will change greatly. Until then, please refrain from writing about us and I implore you to not be a huge "douch" and to take this article down. Posted 02/06/2009 12:54 PMReply

Anonymous says,

phi alpha.. you wish you knew! hahaha Posted 03/03/2009 4:16 PMReply

Anonymous says,

Phi Alhpa Brothers. To the ancient Phi Delt, SAE too boasts a US President, and Frank Lloyd Wright left behind his wife and children to elope in Europe with his clients wife. Pretty sure that has douche bag written all over it- Posted 03/27/2009 4:30 PMReply

Anonymous says,

Just because you were probably left out and not accepted by SAE does not mean we're all douche bags. Every fraternity is unique and each offers something to a group of people. Maybe it's true that SAE often caters to the Polo wearing southern crowd but that doesn't mean we're douche bags. If girls want to come around to our houses that's because they're attracted to us. If they thought cartoon characters were cool then maybe they'd hang around you.
I almost feel bad for you that you have to resort to posting a blog to get attention... it's almost like you don't have real friends to complain to. Just a thought.
-Phi Alpha from GA Epsilon Posted 04/22/2009 10:14 AMReply

Anonymous says,

If anyone cares what these tools are saying to one another, Phi Alpha means "brighter from obscurity." SAE stands for "Sindesmos Adephone Eminos," or Everlasting Bond of Brothers. Enjoy the fewer and fewer tridelts who come by your house to get taken advantage of by increasingly ignorant pledges. Posted 10/08/2009 5:57 PMReply

Anonymous says,

those are all good guesses that sound cool, but wrong Posted 10/21/2009 3:14 PMReply

Anonymous says,

I am greek (family is from Greece) and happen to be an SAE...go to any standard greek dictionary and try to find those words and translate them into english...you can't because your words are incorrect friends Posted 10/21/2009 3:23 PMReply

Anonymous says,

@ Anonymous:
Actually these "guesses" are all completely correct. Phi Alpha=Î¦Î±Î¹Î´Ï�Î¿Ï�Î·Ï� Î�Ï�Î±Ï�ÎµÎ¹Î± which loosely translated is pronounced Faidrotes Asafeia, And it DOES mean Brighter from Obscurity. It refers to the illuminating and enlightening power of our goddess of wisdom "Minerva". As stated "Her coming was like the rising of the sun. She dispelled the mists of ignorance. As the sun at break of dawn rises in all it's spendor upon a dark and silent earth, so truth breaks forth in unveiled BRILLIANCY from the OBSCURITY of prejudice and superstition, and shines ever more and more unto the perfect day. By the way I happen to possess a copy of the ritual and have experienced the journey so no matter what my former fellow brothers post after this you can all have faith that these words are true. Posted 11/07/2009 06:19 AMReply

Anonymous says,

^^^^^ apparently this site does not support greek letters, apologies Posted 11/07/2009 06:27 AMReply