It’s more like a bear in wolves' clothing, but I couldn’t find a picture.
I hate SAE. Let’s not mince words. Normally I’ll poke fun at a frat for tilting their hats at odd angles or their love of color-coordinating but trust me, I’ve been being nice. Not today.
SAE will never, ever get kicked off campus. Even if they killed a pledge (which is entirely possibly in their ridiculous year-long pledge term) they’d probably just be told to double their Greek Week earnings to call it even. Sigma Alpha Epsilon has such a long history here I’m pretty sure their giant medieval castle was the house Mr. Arbor built for his wife Ann two-hundred some years ago. That may not be true, but SAE is the biggest, richest most powerful house on campus. And don’t they know it.
Sure there’s just general ****rly like making pledges chug microwaved beer. And of course the mudbowl game they host every year where they face off against another frat which literally has to limp on the field to play them. And while I'm sure not every brother is bad, when describing SAE I find it hard to resist combining terms like “meat” with “head” or “douche” with “bag” because it’s all just too easy. SAE is more than that.
The real reason I hate SAE are the stories, all of which are told by females and begin with “So I started drinking jungle juice…” and end with “…and then I woke up naked.” The middle? There is no middle. Because they don’t remember it. I’ve heard this same story repeated to me by three different girls in reference to an SAE event and why no one's in jail is beyond me. Maybe money can make any problem go away.
Like Beta before them, SAE should be the next group of ****s to get kicked off campus. But they never will and houses like Theta Chi and Phi Psi will inevitably fall before them. It's a shame that SAE is viewed with such mystical reverence by some, a perspective I will never understand or share. Greek life can produce some of our best here at U of M, but you can sure as hell believe it breeds the worst as well.
Campus rep: 10/10
Douche factor: 46/10
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I think JQ thinks pretty highly of these guys, I'd say go for it! Posted 10/16/2007 11:18 AMReply
'05 alumni Posted 10/16/2007 3:39 PMReply
i think that's being a bit too generous johnny quest. Posted 10/16/2007 6:53 PMReply
2 frozen cans of concentrate lemonade/fruit punch
6 pack of beer (instead of water, can use a 12 pack)
1 handle of vodka
multiple by people being served. No funny pills, etc... because if pills were in there, dipshit, then everyone would be dead on the floor. And, we don't go to Ohio State or Central. Dummy. It's not my fault if a girl, fresh from the strictures of "home life" from wherever, thinks she's tough by drinking too much, only to go back to the dorms and throw up or whatever.
I said you know Nothing because you don't. If you had been in SAE you would have commented about the pure strength of the punch itself (which tastes terrible), instead of having to resort to lying about drugs and whatever. This post has been brought to you by a contributing member of society.
--your lawyer. Posted 10/17/2007 11:50 AMReply
I'm glad we haven't turned into the third reich breeding ground JUST yet. Posted 10/17/2007 11:59 AMReply
I've had that before and you're correct, it's terrible. Beer mixed with fruit and vodka, mmmm. Throw some ice cream or steak in there or something. Also, congrats on being the first person ever on the site to call me "dummy." Props for originality.
And anyone else with concerns can reach me at:
John K. Quest
4409 Go **** Yourself Rd.
Ann Arbor, MI 48104
or on facebook. Posted 10/17/2007 12:14 PMReply
That is the actual "drink" formula, at least while I was there, which was not long ago at all. Call us meatheads, fine, it's deserved. Call us retarded, fine, who cares, all frat guys are. You start saying guys put shit in girls drinks, that's RAPE. It's not cool. It's not cool to rape a girl. It's also not cool to accuse 50 someodd individuals, individuals who were smart enough and well rounded enough to get into Michigan in the first place, of rape. I'm not talking any journalistic integrity, b/c you're not a journalist. But, like SAE or not, the kids are your fellow classmates and will be walking with you at graduation. You think they're not cool, violent, etc., fine, rank em as the worst house to rush if you want. But in some states you can get life for a ****ing rape conviction. It's just a little much. I lived there for 1.5 years and there was never one accusation of that. Other houses couldn't say that at the time, but luckily we didn't have to poison the well in order to get ass. Even if a few consistently struck out, no one ever got that desperate.
--your lawyer Posted 10/17/2007 3:13 PMReply
And to the several people who posted something like
"Ive never even seen ghb or that other shit, and girls blackout cause they drink alot."
So it's okay to have sex with a girl if she's blackout drunk, as long as you didn't spike her drink with a chemical? Posted 10/17/2007 6:46 PMReply
So even if you go past the dumb GHB shit, which is untrue, it's still taking advantage of blacked out girls, and still not cool. Posted 10/17/2007 10:14 PMReply
I also want to thank you for doing SAE the service of fine free advertising over and over again on your blog. It is clear to me that you have more than a little bit of jealousy towards the castle at 1408 Washtenaw and I think much of it stems from the fact that you are likely having difficulty getting laid. I am making this assertion based on the fact that you facebook stalk like John Wayne Gacey and constantly discuss the hotness of sorority pledge classes yet do so from a disturbing distance.
Furthermore, your wildly accuse SAE of using "GHB and ketamine" to lure girls into being assaulted. Your blog entries about Kappa, Tridelt and Alpha Phi discuss their affinity for SAE yet you accuse SAE of drugging these girls, a horrific crime. The fact of the matter is though you may think that these girls are under the influence of some mind altering drug when they go to SAE and sometimes wind up staying the night, what you fail to understand is that SAE (like Beta, Theta Chi and Sigma Chi before them) simply have a monopoly on good looking girls at Michigan because of the prevalence of people like yourself. Girls choose to go to SAE, girls choose to drink at SAE and sometimes, girls choose to stay the night at SAE. None of these are crimes and none of this actions are the result of coercion or malicious intent on the part of the guys at SAE. They just do it better than you. So good luck with things in Ann Arbor, and I apologize for the fact that you joined Chi Phi or thought you could do fine as an independent which clearly did not hold true.
PS- you'll never really feel welcome at Rick's, so don't think that things will improve for you. Posted 10/18/2007 09:25 AMReply
"The real reason I hate SAE are the stories, all of which are told by females and begin with “So I started drinking jungle juice…” and end with “…and then I woke up naked.” The middle? There is no middle. Because they don’t remember it. I’ve heard this same story repeated to me by three different girls in reference to an SAE event and why no one's in jail is beyond me. Maybe money can make any problem go away."
Is this passage not an accusation? Posted 10/19/2007 09:10 AMReply
-tg Posted 10/20/2007 6:09 PMReply
Well done JQ, well done. =] Posted 11/11/2007 10:26 AMReply
Oh, and I'm not standing up for PIKE. SAE just sucks balls too. Posted 11/13/2007 8:35 PMReply
and don't act like you even see copies of your tuition bill. seriously. Posted 11/18/2007 1:36 PMReply
-ΦA
cal theta Posted 11/25/2007 8:20 PMReply
"by the lanterns of brotherhood"
phi alpha is the motto taken from those two letters. Posted 04/29/2008 04:14 AMReply
What are you trying to accomplish by writing this? If you are seriously concerned about the safety of SAE pledges and women who attend their parties, you would focus your attention on them trying to find ways to help them. Instead you focus on SAE as a whole.
There are bad people everywhere. I have no reason to believe that any brother of SAE violated pledges or women. Having said this, if SAE did not exist, do you truely think that such (hypothetical) would-be brothers would fail to take advantage of a young woman?
Perhaps you should focus your attention in more direct ways of helping women and pledges. Posted 05/31/2008 3:29 PMReply
my boyfriend is an SAE at MSU, and even im scared to stay at the house there... Posted 09/17/2008 02:59 AMReply
The problem with sites like this is that they reduce houses into inane high school stereotypes, and students buy right into them. It's pulling apart the Greek system at the limbs.
Congrats Johnny Quest, you win. Bro. Posted 09/29/2008 11:40 PMReply
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and whose self control is equal to all emergencies; who
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