Vector Marketing: Scam or Fast Cash?

Vector Marketing: Scam or Fast Cash?
Vector Marketing: Scam or Fast Cash?

There was a period this summer when I was able to say "I sell knives."  Just being able to say that phrase when asked what I was doing for money over break made it worth the one month stint, if only for the reactions of others.  "You see knives!?" was usually the response I'd get.  "Yes," I'd say, casually.  "They're in the back of my car."  And they were.  I'd keep my sample set of Cutco knives stashed away in a pleather tote in my back seat. 

 

I'm not really sure how I got myself into this.  Basically, I was desperate for a job and happened to get a letter in the mail.  It was for a marketing corporation for college kids, and I figured I could use some office experience.  Flexible hours and a high pay was the clincher.   So, lo and behold, I called to set up an interview.  Now, they didn't give me much information.  Nowhere in this phone call was there the mention of knives, or selling anything for that matter.  They assured me there would be no telemarketing or door to door sales.  They told me I should dress professionally.  When I got to the sketchy building, and went up through the back door, the sound of techno music was blaring.  That should have been my first sign.  When you go into a job interview that sounds like a rave, it's most definitely a red flag.  Anyway, there were tons of others there waiting in their pressed suits and high heals.  A few, I learned, even went to Binghamton. 

 

After a brief interview and another 90 minute group interview, I was hired.  I was told it was exclusive and I should be proud of myself.  I wasn't particularly thrilled, but hey, it was a job.  When I told my Dad, he immediately cried scam.  When I told my mom, she said she actually had some Cutco knives that were wonderful.  She may have gotten them from my cousin years ago.  Well my cousins making a nice living for himself these days, so I figured to stick with it. 

 

I had to take a three day training course, and put down a $143 refundable deposit for a knife set.  To be fair, even though I didn't get paid for the training, I did actually learn a lot.  For the first few weeks, I was doing great.  I was selling knives by the set, I was making a ton of cash for working maybe 5 hours a week.  It was all on my own time, with the exception of two weekly mandatory meetings, and even those were kind of fun.  My boss was only 22, and we would dress up and just get "fired up." 

 

I made some friends, others like myself.  It wasn't until we all started secretly talking to each other that we realized we were all thinking the same thing in the back of our minds: cult. 

 

We had to call in every morning between nine and ten.   It seemed fair at first, but when they would shriek into the phone as I was still in bed, telling me I have to get up and start calling people and make five appointments that day, I got skeptical.  I'm sorry, but I'm not calling people before ten; it's just rude, though they would encourage us to call after 7 AM.  Oh, and we were only allowed to call people who we knew or recommendations from people we knew.  So, they were already just doing us a pity favor by seeing us.  The good part, however, we got $18.25, just by meeting with people. 

 

It got creepy when they started calling my house everyday trying to "fire up" my mom.  Telling her I've got to come to this meeting; "it's going to be AWESOME!"  They would scream into the phone, when my mother would pick up at 8 AM or maybe 10 PM (I have a four year old brother who sleeps, by the way.)  "YO, WHAT UP?!"  Yes, to my mother.  They'd change the times of meetings.  They started to tell us we had to go to these conferences in Queens, and call people at ridiculous hours.  They'd make up times and say we had no choice and had to be there (We weren't getting paid for these "meetings.") 

 

They would pick out the weak kids.  Those who were too nice to say no, and would have them doing free work for them all hours of the week.  One kid I worked with, even told me they called him while he was in the hospital and told him he had to find a way to get into the office that day.  He was "slacking off lately." 

 

After you burned through your initial list of family and friends, and whatever small number of recommendations you got (people are weird about giving out their friends' numbers.  Understandably so) you basically were done.  What more could you do?  I tried to quit a few times.  I explained to my boss that I don't have anyone left to call.  "Go through your yearbook," he would say.  Yeah, okay.  I haven't kept in touch with half the kids I graduated with, who am I to call them now?  What do I say?  "Hey, sorry I didn't call when your dad died, but wanna buy a $1000 set knives?"

 

"The beautiful thing," my boss so dreamily assured me, "is that you never have to quit."  I tried three more times to quit, before I finally left a message telling them not to call me anymore.  Around this time, I also discovered tons of hate groups on Facebook devoted to Vector Marketing, the period scheme/creepy cult. 

 

I suppose, in the end, I benefited.  Aside from the emotional trauma I suffered by the attempted brainwash, I did make money.  I did greatly improve my sales skills.  In any job, really, your selling something, right?.  I learned some great psychological tricks and phone skills, so now I can convince anybody of anything.  I was able to stand up for myself in a "corporate"  situation.  I guess these are all skills I'll take with me some day. 

 

 

 

 

 

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CommodoreGirl
Vector is SOOOOO ghetto! I went to one of the group interviews too because I was under the same impression as you were--office job--and I walked out before the end because of how horrible it was. One of my friends did this for a little while and used to just go to his friends apartments and smoke while pretending to give presentations. Posted 08/07/2008 2:46 PMReply
Anonymous
I thought it was great. It's definitely cult-ish, but if you look past that, you can really gain a lot of good experience and make a lot of money. In just one summer, I sold over $20,000 worth of knives with as my commission slowly grew. If I were still selling them today, I'd be making a 45% commission. Not bad eh?

All in all, 5000 dollars over 2 and a half months as a freshman in college + good experience = good job.
Posted 08/07/2008 3:48 PMReply
Anonymous
I guess the problem is, some people aren't cut out for sales. Posted 08/07/2008 3:49 PMReply
Anonymous
the problem is that you are selling to your friends and family. the whole point of the $18/hr is that vector knows your friends and family will feel too guilty not to buy from the bright eyed college freshman. vector profits by selling knives to people who don't need $1000 sets of knives.

"I guess the problem is, some people aren't cut out for sales."

The problem is that some people aren't cut out for selling out their closest relationships for some quick cash. you might have your 3k, but i have my dignity.
Posted 08/07/2008 6:33 PMReply
Char
yes, my thoughts exactly. Posted 08/07/2008 7:41 PMReply
Anonymous
I went through this until they mentioned i have to buy the knives, but a neighbor went through it all .. read on...
While they are upfront with what they offer, they make it look so easy you will bite. And when you are even one visit short of busting your arse for your whole winter break, you won't get paid for what you were working for. Don't. Do. It.
The girl I know was short a few appointments and if it wasn't for here large BF showing up, she would have been S.O.L.

So That's my story. IF you want facts dig around, there are states thay call their tactics predatory, and make them alter their procedures due to many a kid wasting their time.
Wait tables, it's much easier work and you know you can do it anywhere..once your coworker gets another job you know youre as good as hired there also.. networking works.

You can be cut out for sales, however selling things people dont want for money they don't have just sucks.
Posted 08/07/2008 11:00 PMReply
Anonymous
For that kind of money, you could have two matched sets of Hienkel or Shun. Posted 08/08/2008 1:21 PMReply
Anonymous
Think of how much more you would have made selling your sample set for 1000 (at a cost of 143). Oops, i lost it.. can i have another? Posted 08/08/2008 4:34 PMReply
Anonymous
Alright, so I just started with Vector 5 days ago, and the warning bells are finally going off. Training isn't paid for. $17/hr is irrelevant for 3 reasons. 1) they pump you up so much to convince people to buy that that $17/hr will rarely come into play, as you'll be working your ass off to make a commission (exactly what they want). 2) I have yet to do a demo/presentation that took an (or under an) hour, they tend to run into the 1 1/2 hr range. 4 Demos a day, that's $34 I miss out on. Not to mention that they don't pay for your gas as you tear around the city frantically doing their dirty work. 3) That $17/hr they advertise is a lie, because you aren't getting paid by how long you work, you get paid by how many presentations you perform. You have to WORK at getting names and numbers of people to call, so that you can go and WORK again to make some money. Ludicrous. I've been up until 2am every night making lists of ppl to call, studying my manual, etc etc, but I'm not getting paid by the hour to do so. They sweet talk you into joining by ensuring flexibility and great pay; they don't mention the job details until after you're in too deep to walk out unscathed. I never thought I would be the type to fall for something like this. I've been using MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS to make THEM money. If it wasn't for the kids they hire, they'd be nowhere. It's the ppl we know and trust us that make them their money because they want us to be successful. On their own, they ARE telemarketers, they ARE door-to-door salesmen, both things they claim not to be. I'll be collecting my first and last paycheque in a few days I beleive. Posted 08/11/2008 03:15 AMReply
Anonymous
I've sold over $40,000 in Cutco and yes, it's hard work, but from my experience, the work ethic I've learned here is going to carry with me throughout the rest of my life. The point of this job isn't just to sell knives and make money, although it's not a bad paycheck for those who are willing to work for it. The mission of this company is to provide students with the real world experience they'll be able to transfer into any other profession. I understand that while there are those who don't do well in this company, you must also understand there are those who do extremely well, just like with any other job. The only reason that Vector gets a lot of controversy is because it's unlike any other hourly job out there.

From my experience as a past Cutco rep and current med student, I've seen 2 different types of people, the hard working type who know how to acquire a well deserved paycheck, and the type that makes excuses and wants a fast track to success, which, believe it or not, does not exist. Vector simply separates these two distinct groups.
Posted 08/23/2008 11:36 PMReply
Anonymous
There is another group just like this selling Victoria Jackson makeup in Norwood Mass call Gold Line Promotions. The business model that is used is called "90 ten." You can find out information about this system on that website. I guess you could make money but I have no interest in a job that doesn't give a crap about what you have to offer besides a puppet who can play the law of averages. Scam, cult, whatever they are praying on your weaknesses and insecurities and offer a fast track that really won't come. It's a pyramid scheme people! Posted 09/10/2008 4:42 PMReply
Anonymous
Vector is definitely a "drink the cool-aid" type of club, and since each city has a different independent "Manager" there is plenty of room for jerk-offs to turn their local Vector Business into a less-than-professional operation.

HOWEVER...aside from the super annoying characteristics of the clan, their sales training program is definitely A+. I joined Vector 7 years ago when I was 19 years old. I stuck with it for 6 months before I got burned out. The sales training and relationships I created lasted for years.

That Vector sales training was the key ingredient that led me to eventually become a top producing real estate agent in 2003 and made enough income to temporarily "retire" and live off savings for a year and a half.

My buddy who was in Vector at the same time as me makes $50k commissions on multimillion dollar properties in Mexico now. The last time I saw him, a few months ago, he once again contributed his success to the Vector sales training.

I recommend that EVERY kid at least do Vector for 4 months. See thru the b.s. and just do it for the training.

I've been thru countless sales positions since. Nothing EVER offered the training I got at Vector.

DON'T get me wrong- at the time, I left there wanting to burn that building to the ground...(in fact I was so disgruntled that I sabotaged my boss by sending in over 200 magazine subscriptions that I tore out of magazines at the newsstand, filing in his info and checking the box that said "bill me later".) HOWEVER...despite my bitterness, I can look back NOW and see that the experience changed my life, as well as many other college students who were willing to make the MOST of it (not just go thru the interview and say "this is crap" and give up immediately). You really have to give it 100%, even if its only for 3 or 4 months.

Only regret... too bad CUTCO wasn't and MLM or I'd be filthy rich now.

-joshman2323@yahoo.com
Posted 09/19/2008 8:10 PMReply
Anonymous
Vector is a total scam. I worked there for 2 years and was a District Manager, basically just collecting evidence. Check it out at http://vectortruth.8m.com

If you're thinking about joining this company, think again. Just get a REAL job.
Posted 10/08/2008 5:13 PMReply
Anonymous
I want to explain a few things about the company.

1. Sample deposit - it is precisely that, a DEPOSIT. If things don't work out, just ask for your deposit back. The company will force the manager to return it to you; it's just a matter of doing the legwork required to find out how to contact the manager. You can just go to vectormarketing.com and submit an online comment.

2. Pay - Yes, it's per appointment. If reps were paid per hour, their presentations would be 12 hours long. You have no idea how many reps try to scam their managers out of base pay; it's ridiculous. It would be even worse if it was "per hour." Managers DO have to pay you for all qualified presentations. You signed a contract STATING that, in no uncertain terms.

3. "SAVE," etc - Any company that is Vector's size has unhappy past customers / employees. It's a fact of life. No program of that magnitude can work out perfectly 100% of the time; it's IMPOSSIBLE. In fact every Fortune 500 Company has complaints lodged against it.

4. Past advertising techniques / lawsuits - Those lawsuits were based on past advertising techniques. All of those techniques have now changed. As a matter of fact, to ENFORCE the strict advertising policies, managers are "spot checked" randomly: every once in a while, managers will be required to send Corporate a copy of their local newspapers. This prevents any manager from ever advertising base pay as "per hour," etc.

Honestly, it's not going to be the end of your life if your experience with Vector is negative. Try it out for 2 weeks. If it's not for you, for whatever reason, just quit and turn in your sample kit for a refund. No harm, no foul. Plus, you can put it on your resume; even just completing the training seminar looks good.
Posted 10/16/2008 4:19 PMReply
Anonymous
they have better no **** with me or I'll suit the living shit out of Vector.... Posted 11/12/2008 6:36 PMReply
Anonymous
The person who left the last comment needs to go back to school... anyway... I worked for Vector for 3 years while in college. I really liked the fact that I could make my own hours. It helped me out a lot since I was going to school and my available hours to work were limited. I made great money for the hours I was able to work. http://www.petitiononline.com/vector11/petition.html Posted 12/18/2008 2:42 PMReply
Anonymous
im in trainging now, at first i was liek this is a scam..sure im sure it saves them money by advertising the way that they do..through young kids..and sure most people keep the sample kit which also makes them money...its strategic..all buisnesses are like that. But come on dont bash them..you have to put in the work..i believe marketing has to be in your soul and you truley have t o be a peopl person and know good people that will buy! and thats it im 18 a senior in high school and i know alot of very wealthy familys they agree to do a presentation and then they reccomend you to their wealthy frinds...of course vector uses peole to get to their familys and friends...why not!? If you have a pretty face..young and a great epople person..try it! im not doing it for the money....although i could REALLYYY use it..the things i have learned from this company are amazing...you learn so much about yourself..truley the training is worth it you learn so much about everything! Go through with it i say!!! but have a 10% attitude that you will do it! and its damn hard work! I had my first day selling yesterday and i sold 600$ worth? not bad...plus i had an AMAZINGGGGG time doing it..you learn to react with people and people skills are the nescesity to everyy job..if i dont make a dime im so pleased with the experience i have gained from vetor in only 4 days i hope it turns out good! im so committed and excited to see what happens! Posted 01/18/2009 08:39 AMReply
Anonymous
@ Anonymous:

I GOT scammed by goldline promotions selling victoria jackson makeup at my work!!! oh why did i have to pay them with my credit card, if only i had cash instead, now i keep getting billed over and over each month!!!! help!!!!
Posted 01/30/2009 09:37 AMReply
Anonymous
@ Anonymous: cancel your card. They now go under the name "Propel" and yes Maurice Goldentaier is still in charge there. They are still a company under the name of 90-Ten Marketing in which Chad Powers and (maybe) Maegen Kronteres are still heading up the place. They change the name so it protects their liabilities. They are still at 290 Vanderbilt Drive, Norwood MA 02062 I wish you the best of luck Posted 04/23/2009 6:41 PMReply
Anonymous
@ Anonymous: you are a pretender. You are someone on the inside who has sold out and pretending. JUICE ALL AROUND. NOT! Posted 04/23/2009 6:44 PMReply
Anonymous
I read a report at http://www.MyCutcoSecrets.com that explains EVERYTHING that Vector doesn't want you to know. Posted 05/11/2009 5:45 PMReply
Anonymous
I WORK FOR VECTOR SINCE 2001 AND IM OVA THE 50K MARK Posted 05/12/2009 1:27 PMReply
Anonymous
Vector is such a scam. First of all they make you pay for a shity $150 display kit. secondly they make you pay for training!!?? wtf. what kind of job makes u pay for training?? My friend Brandon used to work for them for 3 months and never earned back the 375 dollars he paid for the kit and training. SCAM ALERT!!!! These mother ****ers will contact you in the mail and try to win u over offering 16 dollars an hour and flexible schedule. **** u vector, burn in hell for running a nation wide scam to exploit college students for last decade:) I hope u proud. Posted 06/19/2009 5:08 PMReply
Anonymous
i just saw the ad for vetor, applied and they called me hours later trying to schedule an interview. the only problem was that i did not know what vector marketing really did. so when i asked the woman in the phone about it, she couldn't tell me much of anything. so i googled vector marketing and found this site. thanks for filling me in and though people say that the training is someting that you will forever have blah blah, i do no think that i will be interested in this field of work. i want to become a doctor and i'll admit, i was attracted to the $15 an hour and no experience stuff. shows what suckers most of us are, but props to those who try to look and see what they are getting into. Posted 08/19/2009 1:50 PMReply

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