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Many view Florida quarterback Tim Tebow as God, but apparently he doesn’t share that view. The son of missionaries and a devout Christian, Tebow often looks for ways to spread his faith. The most recent way was at the BCS championship game, where he wrote “John 3:16” on his eye black.
This is Tim Tebow's orphanage. Yes, Tim Tebow has his own orphanage.
John 3:16 is of course probably the one bible verse you know if you even went to half an hour of Sunday school growing up:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Many fans are crying foul, saying that religion and sports shouldn’t mix. Others say they really couldn’t care less, it’s eye black. If he changed the name on his jersey to “Salvation” or something, that might be a bigger deal, but this isn’t the XFL, so I don’t think that should be a problem.
Does seeing Tebow’s evangelical eye-black bother you after seeing in on TV for thirty seconds?
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You should come up out of your mommy's basement and display your open brilliant mind for the world! Posted 01/09/2009 11:30 AMReply
- Ephesians 2:8-9. Perhaps you should open up a Bible and read before you mock the Christian faith - it may convict you. Posted 01/09/2009 11:44 AMReply
Yes, it is offensive. Posted 01/09/2009 1:24 PMReply
says a lot more about them than it does about the
football player Posted 01/09/2009 1:28 PMReply
but will not tolerate anything they dont believe in.
But the right is not, and they quietly tolerate everything Posted 01/09/2009 1:33 PMReply
I have actually listened to alternative beliefs...and that's what they are BELIEFS...and I came to a logical conclusion that Christianity makes the most sense to me. Why does that disturb you so much? I have a moral compass that guides me in my life, family, and business relationships. It gives me humility and a desire to serve others as Christ did. Why should I shut up about that? Posted 01/09/2009 2:14 PMReply
Keep on keeping on Tim. Posted 01/09/2009 2:23 PMReply
What concerns me, however, is that so many other people do care...on both sides.
Christians, ask yourself this...if Tebow had written "Atheism Rocks" on his eyeblack, would you be up in arms right now? Would you be spewing the same negative things that non-Christians are spewing right now? I'm willing to bet you would.
The problem in the country is that too many people care about what other people do...people they don't even know and in all probability will never even meet. I don't have a problem with what anybody believes, as long as they don't try to impose their beliefs upon me. You have to understand that beliefs are NOT truths and not everyone has to agree with you. Live your life the way you want to live it...and don't bother other people.
There are MANY, MANY other more important issues in this country, chiefly how the heck we're going to get the economy back in order rather than debating how inspiring or disgusting Tebow's eye black is to you. Posted 01/09/2009 4:32 PMReply
open your tiny little american minds. Posted 01/09/2009 5:10 PMReply
It makes me feel great if it is to help people out of dire circumstances or improve their lives as many missionaries do. Thankfully I learned those ideals early in life from the wonderful life lessons presented in the Bible.
Just a thought from my tiny little American mind. Posted 01/09/2009 5:50 PMReply
read this:
http://www.apfn.net/rockefeller.htm Posted 01/09/2009 9:28 PMReply
seriously people
he didn't make you open a bible
if something on tv sucks, change the channel Posted 01/09/2009 10:15 PMReply
People oughtn't be so quick to take offense. It's so tiresome. Try to find the GOOD in something, people, rather than screeching about how offended you are. That goes for Christians too, by the way. Posted 01/10/2009 12:56 PMReply
This ain't even PC stuff this is the same divisiveness and lack of personal integrity that currently has the country divided. People go to far for control and this is what we get, no personal freedoms for the sake of the weak. Posted 01/10/2009 12:57 PMReply
THIS IS TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMMENTING ABOUT BEING OFFENDED BY TIM TEBOW AND HIS EYE BLACK, YOUR ALL A BUNCH OF PUSSY'S THERE I SAID IT I KNOW I SHOULDN'T BUT SERIOUSLY SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TAKE YOU OUT AND SMACK YOU AROUND FOR BEING THE GIRLY LITTLE 30 OR 40 SOMETHING YEAR OLD MAN THAT YOU ARE!!!!!!!GOD BLESS!!!!! Posted 01/11/2009 12:18 AMReply
What he does on his own time, in his own attire, with his own cash and in his own personal religious pursuits is his own business. But, very few of the commentators here would "sit still" if the eye black message read "Praise Allah" or "Screw Bush", because you would claim THAT has no place in sports (nor in front of your impressionable children's eyes). But, since Mr. Tebow's message is not necessarily 'offensive', we're expected to accept his display as appropriate because he has "courage" to display them. Nonsense. What he has, for a few moments, is the undivided attention of millions of viewers who tuned in to watch a ballgame, and got treated to a public evangelizing supported by tax dollars. While this display is not 'offensive' to me personally - though perhaps others of varying faiths would disagree - it is completely inappropriate in this setting. Either we have a society in which our laws (ALL of our laws) are enforced equally, no matter how inconsequential they seem, or to whom they are applied, ....or we don't. Therefore, the argument over who is more righteous is misdirected. Posted 01/11/2009 02:20 AMReply
Ok, I have another question- all the people who are applauding what he did because of the religious content of his message- how would you feel if a quarterback at a college next year wanted to start each game by throwing a spear onto the field and dedicating the contest to Odin? Or the equivalent action for any other faith that is not your own. Would you be as proud of that man as this one? If yes, then I will gladly stand beside you to celebrate this man. But if not, then you're just a hypocrite, which pretty much renders your opinion worthless.
[ps. if you would respond that you are not a hypocrite because this message is TRUTH and the others are not, I would then reply that yes, to you this is TRUTH, and to the guy who sits next to me at work the TRUTH is that there is no God but Allah and that Muhammad is His servant. And to me, the TRUTH is something else entirely. Posted 01/11/2009 04:19 AMReply
You need to read the constitution: the first amendment does not say that someone going to a pubic college cannot express his or her religious beliefs rather it says clearly that ther will be no limitations to the " free exercise of religious freedom. The first amendment also says that
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" (First Amendment) - It only says that Congress will not establish a church - This was a direct response to the creation of a National Church in England ( the church of England). In fact, the constitution does not forbid the establishment of a state church and in fact state churches existed in this country until 1833. the constitution is actually talking about the establishment of a national church - not a 21 year old private citizen who is expressing his beliefs and in fact the same amendment expressly protects his right to the free exercise of relgion - the Congress can make no law the limits his free exercise of his relgion. period case closed
The First Amendment to the US Constitution explicitly forbids the U.S. federal government from enacting any law respecting a religious establishment, and thus forbids either designating an official church for the United States, or interfering with State and local official churches â which were common when the First Amendment was enacted. It did not prevent state governments from establishing official churches. Connecticut continued to do so until it replaced its colonial Charter with the Connecticut Constitution of 1818; Massachusetts did not disestablish its official church until 1833, more than forty years after the ratification of the First Amendment; and local official establishments of religion persisted even later.
And in fact the who idea of separation of church and state as a concept is not in the constitution - the phrase comes from a letter written in 1809 by Thomas Jefferson.
So, you go tim Tebow - going to a state univesity does not in anyway limit his right to express his beliefs in or out of uniform! Posted 01/11/2009 1:50 PMReply
I say kudos to Tim Tebow for not letting fame get to his head and for remaining a postive example to kids and young adults everywhere. Posted 01/12/2009 1:01 PMReply
to the reader who said " . . What it's about is the constitutional separation of church and state. MY TAX DOLLARS pay for the public university he attends, the athletic program in which he participates, the uniforms he wears, the bus he rides to the game and even the footballs he throws so successfully. And, since the Constitution forbids the use of public tax dollars in support of religious activity, Mr. Tebow should not be allowed to broadcast his beliefs at this event in this fashion. Simple as that. "
You are actually very wrong and though I'm an alumni of U of F AND a huge fan and respect Tim Tebow for his accomplishments on and off the field, the person who wrote this is correct and you are very wrong in your attempt to try to negate his statement with that elongated speech. The separation of church and state does apply here as Florida is a STATE UNIVERSITY and not private and the same laws that apply that prevent religion being taught in public schools does in fact apply here. If someone wanted to make a big deal out of this, they could have and would legally be correct in doing so. They would also be MORALLY correct. A student or anyone else does not have the right to utilize a public institution to spread religion. You are wrong. Citizens have the right to NOT in fact have religion impressed upon them. Posted 01/13/2009 12:41 AMReply
THIS IS TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMMENTING ABOUT BEING OFFENDED BY TIM TEBOW AND HIS EYE BLACK, YOUR ALL A BUNCH OF PUSSY'S THERE I SAID IT I KNOW I SHOULDN'T BUT SERIOUSLY SOMEBODY NEEDS TO TAKE YOU OUT AND SMACK YOU AROUND FOR BEING THE GIRLY LITTLE 30 OR 40 SOMETHING YEAR OLD MAN THAT YOU ARE!!!!!!!GOD BLESS!!!!!
Honestly, is THIS the type of behavior religion teaches? Calling people who rightfully oppose the misuse of his position to spread religion "pussies" while demonstrating a lack of education by only spelling "pussy's" wrong, but showing hatred and anger and a lack of 7th grade grammar skills doing so. I'm sure Tim Tebow appreciates that kind of defense. Thanks for showing us losers are on the religion side of things too. Posted 01/13/2009 12:48 AMReply
Yeh, it is VERY different from having religion tatoos...when Tim Tebow gets his picture taken up close, the black under his eyes are right there in the camera. Nobody is asking anyone with tats to turn to the side so they can see them AND most of the time they are pretty much covered.
My question for YOU is that if a player of his calibre had "I LOVE SATAN" written under his eyes or "SATAN - THE REAL GOD", would you be OK with that? Hell no (pardon that expression), but you religious fanatics would be making calls to your congressman. I have all kinds of posters of Tim Tebow and Danny Wuerffel who also was a religios player who is very noted in Gator lore, but the point of this conversation is whether or not using that spotlight to promote religion is wrong and it is. If you can sit there and say that you'd be OK with the Satanic messages or any other religion you don't happen to agree with, then I'd have to say you're a liar. Posted 01/13/2009 12:57 AMReply
Yet, as others have pointed out, my (our) tax payer dollars for the school he attends...division of church and state - public school - any of these ring a bell? Posted 01/13/2009 01:05 AMReply
Why is it when someone like Tebow accomplishes great feats, God is responsible and when someone else who leads a great life and does so much for people has his family taken in a tragedy, then God is testing that person? Do you not understand your own mindwiping BS? It is like there is an answer for everything with religion. I'll tell you this, God isn't paying Tebow's tuition, tax payers are and he plays in a public school. So share THAT with your taxpayers who aren't all Christians (because they have their OWN mind and weren't brainwashed by the ridiculous notion that some entity runs their lives). Maybe when you stop mindwashing people, some people will take responsibility for their own actions and won't get caught up in thinking this "god" controls everything. That's SAD. Posted 01/13/2009 01:08 AMReply
It is ironic someone said this because that is the bottom line of the need to spread religion and religious beliefs. Insecurity and pushing "the word" around is what religious people do to instill or reeinforce their OWN BELIEF and that's a shame. If your belief is so strong, why do you feel the need to "spread the word"? You can't be comfortable that I too have my OWN belief that needs not to be influenced by yours? Posted 01/13/2009 01:13 AMReply
Blast your faith? This isn't about blasting anyone's faith. If you want to believe in the big happy ghost upstairs who is there to make your death and enternity blissful, that's your own business....we're asking you to simply not push your belief onto others just as you wouldn't want a Hindu trying to convince you that some bald, fat guy with slanted eyes runs this world along with thousands of gods and we all get reincarnated. Believe what you want to believe...we can care less, but stop knocking on my door or throwing it in my face because you're so insecure you feel the need to convince others. And stop using PUBLIC FACILITATION that many non-christians help pay for to do so...Florida is a PUBLIC SCHOOL, not an avenue to spread religion. Once again, if he had SATAN ROCKS under his eyes, you pathetic brain-washed religious empty-minded fools would have a fit. Posted 01/13/2009 01:19 AMReply
This person is a fine example and representative of a "good christian". So because someone asks you to keep your faith private and stop pushing it on others, you call that person a homosexual? And isn't that so pathetically wrong to sit there and blast homo-sexuals while you cry and whine asking others not to blast christians? Great point...homosexuals do something AGAINST YOUR FAITH which you'd like to publicly knock, but when you're asked to stop using public installations to spread your retardness, you not only point to homosexuals to pick on, but you call someone a homosexual who you don't even know...thanks for showing us what real christians are all about...I guess you're not strong like jesus and forgot to turn the other cheek...and you've probably got a little 16 boyfriend too - that's the real kicker! Posted 01/13/2009 01:23 AMReply
What is sad is that you still believe in that fairy tale from the bible and need to because you're so afraid that after you die, you'll otherwise go to hell...it didn't take me long to realize that christianity is based on a fear of going to hell and that fear keeps your faith. Maybe that kind of fear is what is needed for people to still believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, but unfortunately, neither of those deal with death. Just because your life is lead by this fear of where you'll go after death doesn't mean others need that same instigation. The funny thing is that some of you christians never really get it...if god is the god I read about in the bible, then he's all forgiving and with that NOBODY would go to hell, so the logic just isn't there anymore...and no, I don't need a bunch of you bible thumpers to point out to me some place in the bible that was once pointed out to you that made YOU believe in the BS religion offers. I'm way past that point. But consider that you're hating "non-believers" in a fit of anger just as much as you're feeling hated and you have to wonder why someone would go to that length about their religion and the only true answer is your fear of what happens with your soul. Won't you be surprised to realize that NOTHING happens...when your'e dead, you're dead. Get over it. Now I need to go become a great college QB and have those words on my eye black. Posted 01/13/2009 01:29 AMReply
Leaving each other alone sounds good. Does that mean my child won't have to pray in school or use "god" in the Pledge of Allegiance (whose god anyway?); that I might benefit from stem cell research; that if my daughter is raped she could count on the availability of an abortion? Religious types want us all to live by their standards and morals. Posted 01/13/2009 01:33 AMReply
Actually, it takes *great* security in your faith to display it publicly like that. I applaud him for it.
Honestly, more insecurity is involved than security. Posted 01/13/2009 01:34 AMReply
I'll correct you because you are wrong. It allows for any faith to be freely practiced (except for some reason it chooses to call what you believe a faith or not, IE Satanism and Atheism are recognized as a faith - wonder why that is - maybe it is something OTHERS don't agree with? Anyhow, he has every right to PRACTICE his faith and there are churches and private schools for that. What you don't seem to get and want to allow yourself to get distracted is there is more to it than one part (IE separation of church and state). He attends a public school and tax dollars pay for that school. Just as religion can not be practiced IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL, it crosses the line to practice religion publically utilizing that school as the stage. As a christian who also seems to want to push your religion onto others, you seem to forget OTHERS have the right to believe in what they want to believe in also and public arteries shouldn't be utilized to spread that religion...so you're wrong, but thanks for playing. Posted 01/13/2009 01:39 AMReply
says a lot more about them than it does about the
football player
The fact that you'd even write this shows how pathetic you are for even writing it. Do your contention is that it is OK to spread religion and advertise it, but if someone speaks up to say they do not want that advertisement in their face, then they are wrong and "pathetic". I hope your mailbox is overloaded with "I love Satan" and other Satanic culturisitc gatherings advertisements and then we'll all call YOU pathetic for complaining.. Posted 01/13/2009 01:41 AMReply
but will not tolerate anything they dont believe in.
But the right is not, and they quietly tolerate everything
Sounds like you wouldn't know your left from your right, but ironically enough, your left and your right are your best friends. Posted 01/13/2009 01:43 AMReply
So life is full of those bad people you discuss and christians and nobody else? I mean, honestly, an athlete can't make the news or be great if he doesn't commit these bad deeds or doesn't give credit to god...is that the bottom line? Maybe if you recognized decent people who aren't proclaimed christians or better yet, decent people of OTHER RELIGIONS (oh the blasphemy)...when you start recognized THOSE and not spreading the BS that you have to be a christian to be a decent person, maybe things would be different...but christians ironically enough help to perpetuate the idea that you can't be a wholesome or decent person if you're not a christian and that's worse than all the cheaters and wife beaters put together! As long as I give my 10% to the church though, I'll be fine huh? Posted 01/13/2009 01:47 AMReply
One thing I can say about Christianity is; if a person does not believe the way I do, I am not told as a Christian to kill him. There is a religion that believes I should be killed (you know who I am speaking of) for my belief. Should I be offended when I see a Christianâs head rolling in a street somewhere over seas because he or she was Christian? Yes I am offended. Then someone ask the question on here, would I be offended if I saw a verse from this âpeace-loving religionâs koranâ written on someoneâs eye black, here in America? Yes I would be offended. Why? Because of these atrocities I see and hear about. Should I be tolerant until I am persecuted for my own Christian faith in my own Country? No! This country was founded on Godly (Jehovah) principles from a people who escaped religious persecution in England and wanted to be able to worship God without someone looking over their shoulders. If you do not believe me go to Washington DC and look for the references to Jehovah God that are all over the city, and on our National Monuments. Perhaps you can Google that and find many of them online. Many of you will be surprised. Beware Christians this Ideology is coming to America and one day, we will be persecuted and killed for our beliefs. I know that by expressing my opinion on here that someone will say, âThis person is not tolerant of others and what they believeâ but I am tolerant of others and their religion as long as it does not cross the line to violenceâ. Which is the case against that one? BTW to one of the previous posterâsâ¦.GOD DOESNâT NEED YOUR 10% he has let you borrow, keep it and return it on judgment day. Peace and love! Posted 01/13/2009 10:22 AMReply
I challenge you to actually research the history and intent of the 1st amendment - You will be surprised
Not only is there no statement that "forbids Tax dollars from being spent on religion nor does the Constitution contain the phrase "separation of church and state" anywhere. That phrase actually comes from a letter written by President Thomas Jefferson in 1802 to the Danbury Baptist Association, who were concerned that Anglicanism might become the official (or Established) denominational preference of the new nation. Jefferson was trying to reassure the worried Baptists that no such "establishment" skullduggery was afoot.
The First Amendment's widely misunderstood Establishment Clause simply means that the state will not set up any official state religion, nor will it prohibit any person from freely exercising the religious dictates of his or her own conscience. However, this restriction on the Government's intrusion into the private religious convictions of its citizenry does NOT mean that all aspects of religion should be kept completely out of the affairs of the State. That secular ideology is entirely foreign to the original intent of the Founding Fathers â who drafted the Constitution, including its Bill of Rights, as a clearly defined limitation on the power of the Government to interfere with the freedoms of the people, but NOT as a limitation on the power of the people to control the Government according to the beliefs of their own hearts.
President John Quincy Adams, the son of the great statesman from Massachusetts who did so much to inspire the Declaration of Independence, stated the truth succinctly on July 4, 1821: "The highest glory of the American Revolution was this; it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity."It bothers me that so many schoolchildren in America are growing up ignorant of their country's religious heritage, which is so deeply rooted in the Judeo-Christian tradition that even the Supreme Court of a century ago saw fit to declare officially that "our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian . . . this is a Christian nation." (Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 1892)
Fifty years later, the Liberal icon Justice William O. Douglas wrote for the Court: "The First Amendment, however, does not say that in every respect there shall be a separation of Church and State . . . We find no constitutional requirement makes it necessary for government to be hostile to religion and to throw its weight against the efforts to widen the scope of religious influence. The government must remain neutral when it comes to competition between sects . . . We cannot read into the Bill of Rights such a philosophy of hostility toward religion." (Zorach v. Clauson, 1952)
Still, many Americans mistakenly believe the phrase "separation of church and state" exists in the Constitution. It doesn't. Why are so many Americans so misinformed? Because three generations of secular humanist educators and atheistic ACLU ideologues have parroted this big lie so often that many americans belief have finally begun to believe it, simply because nobody ever bothered to explain the true meaning of the First Amendment.
Expressing one's beliefs is protected by the constitution. period.. Posted 01/14/2009 09:34 AMReply
I don't see an issue other than the fact that everyone on both sides of this issue has an opinion, too high of an opinion of it, and too much time on their hands. Posted 01/14/2009 7:37 PMReply
I heard recently that PETA is going to launch a large protest if Vick gets to play football again. Allthough it was horrible what he did, I do forgive him as all Christians should and I know if he truely has Jesus in his heart now he has forgiven himself. Ask some athiest (and most of them are) in PETA if he deserves to be forgiven. Maybe PETA should be able to paste "Scarlet letters" on everyone who has done something wrong to animals for the rest of there like so we can spit on them till thier death. That sounds like a lovely society. Posted 01/17/2009 3:03 PMReply
Home schooled students are some of the best students in the nation, myself included. I was homeschooled in highschool and I scored in the 98th percentile on my college entrance exam. Now I have a Master of Science in Computer Engineering with a 3.89 GPA after graduation. Posted 06/02/2009 5:30 PMReply
This is bullshit, and most like it is not YOUR tax dollars.
" Why can't we leave each other alone? Because people like Tebow shove their bogus beliefs down people's throats, on national TV."
Shove? SHOVE? YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT SHOVING IS! How about you go live in a 3rd world Muslim country where shoving down the threat is done with a MACHETE or GUN. You ****ing piece of liberal shit! Posted 06/02/2009 5:35 PMReply
Actually, it takes *great* security in your faith to display it publicly like that. I applaud him for it.
Honestly, more insecurity is involved than security. "
How would you know? You have as much or more airtime than Tebow? Right. Talking out of your ass, good job. Posted 06/02/2009 5:44 PMReply
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